My First Post Transplant Kidney Biopsy

Just an update here, lab work on March 16th showed a possible sign of inflammation via the C3+C4+CompT test results for Complement C4, Serum with a 6 out of a reference range of 14-44.  When the results came in they immediately upped by prednisone to 20 mg, upped the Mycophenolate sodium slightly and added Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate) to my prescriptions to be on the safe side. At the same time they said not to worry about it too much.  At an appointment in early April the nephrologist brought up the possibility that it might be lupus inflammation.

There was more testing, including DSA (Donor Specific Antibodies) which must have been ok.  Finally after a few weeks the results came back for the Anti-DNA(SS)IgG, Ab, Qn test which was high at 51 with a reference range of 0-19, so that seems shows some lupus related inflammation.

My nephrologist wants to order a biopsy to check for any lupus related organ inflammation.   The idea is my 1 yr. biopsy is in July so we would just move it up to this week.  I’m still trying to set that up for Friday this week (that’s the weekday they do kidney biopsies), but don’t know if that will happen as its not yet setup. We will see.

I’ve also had some persistent discoloration (pre transplant for years) on my chest that my primary doctor felt was a fungus. I still have that same discoloration, but might have a few areas that are more raised that could be lupus related, so they want me to see a dermatologist.  He said any skin related lupus is easy to treat.

For now my nephrologist feels comfortable managing the lupus as the lupus is related to the organs.  Plus I don’t have symptoms like the joint pain, and he has good teammates he can consult with that worked at Columbia which he said is the center for lupus research.  I’m ok with the  nephrologist managing my care since I see him often and especially since right now we are seeing the lupus in lab tests only.  Obviously if the dermatologist feels any of my discoloration is lupus related they would work on that side.

I was a bit surprised to have the lupus fear as a rheumatologist I visited once per year just in case something flared up said that the transplant paints were not at risk because of all the immunosuppressant drugs we are on.  I think I asked him in the context of all the increased cancer risks is there also an increased lupus risk.  If I do need a rheumatologist I’ll get a new one in the GW Hospital system so it’s part of the same network with shared lab work and the like…

So I’m not too worried about this, but it is time to get serious about the sunscreen and such…

On the good side calcium is now in the high end of normal range (I told the nephrologist I wanted to stay on the 60 mg of Sensipar until I knew for sure it’s time to decrease it). Phosphorus is just a the very low end of normal.  Creatinine remains in the 1.4-1.5 range except for some odd results around 1.10 in February when I was traveling a lot and my Tacrolimus was also a whacky..


Adding this data from this post 

2.5-4.5 mg/dL 1.6-2.3 mg/dL 3.5-5.2 mmol/L 8.7-10.2 mg/dL <– reference range
Date Phosphorus, Serum Magnesium, Serum Potassium, Serum Calcium, Serum
1/3/2018 2.1 1.8 5.3 9.6
2/16/2018 2.1 5.2 10 travel week <– Same day 1, same draw different vial
2/16/2018 2 1.7 5.1 9.5 travel week <– Same day 1, same draw different vial
3/2/2018 2.1 1.7 4.8 9.7 travel week
3/23/2018 4.8 10.3

February I had three trips to the west coast, that resulted in Creatinine close to 1.1 versus the norm of 1.4 but completely put my Tacrolimus levels out of whack both low and high so I had lots of tests in April as we tried to get it back to normal.

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May 15, 2018, 10:17:48 AM »
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Hmm…I’m not at all familiar with lupus inflammation and renal allografts, but I can understand your puzzlement.  Let us know when you get your biopsy date.  I’ll be very interested to hear about the results.

Finally got the call for the biopsy schedule, 2 pm on Friday so that will happen fast, but I think its a week or so to get results.  Also today I booked my dermatology appointment for next Monday and got the doctor team that specializes in things including lupus related skin problems.

Lupus comes in many forms and if for example is manifesting as Discoid lupus which affects the skin its more easily to treat and less worrisome, where if its lupus nephritis which causes inflammation of the kidneys it would be much more worrisome for the new graft.  I think discoid might be treated with the Plaquenil and Prednsione that I’m already on, where if its kidney related Cytoxan might be in my future (again).

My original kidney damage was from Lupus in the early 1990’s causing scaring and a slow continuation of that scaring.  I was off all meds either in 1999 or 2000 and thus officially in remission, but had I not be a transient college student I probably would have been classified as in remission much earlier.  I was doing Cytoxan treatments at least until 1995 when finally a doctor thought it was ok to change the status quo.

Anyway if the lupus is to come back its VERY helpful for it to come back right now where I’m being monitored very closely and we can be on top of it.  I’d much rather learn about it from lab work versus side effects after my body has had the time to do damage to itself.

May 21, 2018, 10:04:37 AM »

Biopsy went well and now waiting for results.  My nephrologist did talk to a member of his team with lots of lupus experience and that person was not to worried about the lab results.  He was told that I could have elevated markers all the time.  I should know more when I see a dermatologist today who has experience with lupus as they should be able to tell if my chest discoloration is lupus or something else.

The whole biopsy experience is always a test of patience but I was prepared for it this time.  Arrive at noon to get checked in and assigned a bed for post biopsy recovery, don’t get a bed until 2 pm.  My nephrologist comes in as they are putting in the IV says I will get moved down to ultrasound soon.  I was transported down at 3 pm on a bed and wait in the hallway for another biopsy to complete at about 3:45.  Procedure goes quick, they numb the skin and then move the needle down continuing numbing until the gets to the biopsy area, after that they make a small cut in the skin using an X-Acto kinfe.  But when the put in the hallow needle i could still feel it so they pumped some more numbing agent in that needle but I diffidently felt the biopsy clicker grab the sample, so they told me to flinch at the “click” of the grabber… They grabbed another sample with less flinching.  I told the doctor prior that the most painful thing last time was the pressure on the biopsy site where they push on the area for a few minutes before the put the bandage on so this doctor was very gentle.   I was back up to my bed by 4:30.  The nurse didn’t get much details on what I was supposed to be doing in the bed so I gave her what I had learned from asking the doctor, i.e. don’t eat right away (I’d had no food or drink since about 7 am), lab work to see hemoglobin at 2 and/or 4 hours to decided if I headed home.   At about two hours I told her the same and she called the doctors (I think the biopsy person was off shift) and she said she would pull the labs and if they looked good I could go home.  That lab pull was the only use of the IV.  The results came back good and she told me to call my wife for pickup at 8:30 pm.  I was discharged at about 7:20 and I walked downstairs to my wife and headed home for some rest.  The discharge paperwork was basically ok to shower with bandage on then change, let the scab fall off naturally, and of course call someone if I felt bad or there was a good amount of blood in urine.  I never say any blood streaking in the urine but they said its common so don’t worry about a small amount. I don’t even really see a scar just a closed area from the biopsy site so I’ll start bathing again on Tuesday (as I prefer) rather than showering.

 

May 21, 2018, 04:22:18 PM »

Thank you for the well wishes.

My dermatology appointment went well.  The dermatologist said the rash whatever looked like it was yeast caused and took a quick scraping to look at under a microscope and when she came back that changed to a fungus “tinea versicolor” which is a yeast fungal infection.  Treatment is Ketoconazale cream 2* day for 2-3 weeks. After it clears up change to the following to prevent it from showing up again – use head and shoulders shampoo as a body wash, leave on 5 minutes, prior to washing my body.  Those types of fungal growths are to be expected with the compromised immune system.

So the skin discoloration is not a lupus rash!

Well there I also received my first yearly post transplant skin exam.  Nothing to worry about there but they did cut off a raised hard zit like thing on my forehead, they think its probably just a calcium type deposit but to be safe they did the skin biopsy and will send it to a lab.  If it was a skin cancer type dot it would be the good type as that zit like bump would not be a type of cancer that would spread.  They will call with the results in a few weeks.

Also they want me wearing sunscreen even to work…

June 14, 2018, 10:15:51 AM »

Yesterday was my first nephrologist visit after my most recent biopsy (at 10 months post transplant).  He doesn’t think that the lupus is active but he says there are three concerning markers:
* Creatinine up to 1.5x from 1.48.  (I hope this is a fluke)
* C4 compliment is still out of range. (Lupus would be C3 compliment – that level is normal.)
* Biopsy shows about 15% scaring on the new kidney (that might be same as last biopsy).  Today I asked for a copy of both results so I could read it over in case I have questions at my visit in two weeks.. The scarring could have existed in the donor kidney or be a marker of slow rejection or drug effects.He wants to do some new special dna blood test that will see rejection.  I think it’s the AlloSure test. It would be dawn in home as the lab companies are not yet doing it, someone would come by to draw the blood.   He was happy I’m still on Medicare as they will pay for it, but private insurance might not pay for it now.  He feels it will be standard in about three years all the insurance plans will pay for it.

He is still worried about high calcium as it’s not going down – it’s at about 10.4 where 10.2 is top of high range. The high calcium can also clog up the kidney.  We increased Sensipar to 90 mg but they don’t think that will solve the high calcium as 60 mg it should have had more of an effect.  He wants be to go to Otolaryngology Head and Neck Surgery  (instead of endocrinologists) and so I guess that would start to process of removing the thyroid.

June 14, 2018, 10:59:28 AM »

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Thank you for providing such concise information about your post tx experiences.  I know they are different for every patient, so it is really interesting to hear about your personal experience.  …  Good luck to you!

Thanks, I find it sort of interesting how happy I’m to share this info so others can have insight into one transplant experience.

I’m pro retaining my rights to privacy, i.e. I worry about privacy risks as everyone voluntarily pays to give their DNA to commercial databases (and how likely my DNA information has already been captured by extended family members adding their info to the database), and I’m happy that people try to build our rights because they really, really care about privacy.

Yet on this side I’m happy to share everything as well all benefit from the open conversations on this forum.  It really helps people and community to read about others experiences even if you think you will never need information.  I guess it helps that I am really happy to share both medical and financial experiences – in both cases people can really benefit from sharing information and learning from others.

I have to say since my introduction in March of 2014 ( http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=30886.0 ) I’ve learned a lot and benefited from everyone else’s contributions.

My nephrologist’s physician assistant just clarified (via email) that they want me to go to Otolaryngology because of because of “parathyroid” adenoma, that might lead to parathyroid gland removal, not thyroid removal.  It looks like in there might not be lifelong medical requirements after parathyroid gland removal!  That sounds much better to me.